Saturday, September 10, 2016

Pork: Are the Pork and Swine flesh Lawful for Christians?


Pork and swine flesh are unclean, and God prohibited unclean meat for the Muslims, so they do not eat them. It is said in the Qur'an-

He hath forbidden you only carrion, and blood, and swine flesh, and that which hath been immolated to (the name of) any other than Allah. But he who is driven by necessity, neither craving nor transgressing, it is no sin for him. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.-[2:173]

Forbidden Food
Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swine flesh, and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death-stroke), and that which hath been Immolated unto Idols. And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination. This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.-[5:3]

He hath forbidden for you only carrion and blood and swine flesh and that which hath been immolated in the name of any other than Allah; but he who is driven thereto, neither craving nor transgressing, lo! then Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.-[16.115]

Again, the Laws that God gave to Moses also prohibited eating unclean meats. As we find-
And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he [is] unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they [are] unclean to you. -[Leviticus,11:7,8]
And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it [is] unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.-[Deuteronomy, 14:8]

A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable [things is in] their vessels; -[Isaiah, 65:3-4]

They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.-[Isaiah, 66:17]

According to our knowledge, "The law that is same in the two different scripture of two different religion and if one of them is the latest then the law shall be consider as true logically". 

Jesus was a Jew and he was a Prophet to the Jews, so it shall be true that he and his disciples never eat any unclean meat, ie Pork and Swine flesh.and shall never permit it against the laws of Torah. Now we will see what Jesus says in the Gospel-

Pork
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.-[Mattew, 5:17-19]

ie Jesus never break any laws nor he advice's ever to go against laws. So, it our Question why did the Christian eat pork and swine flesh? How they permit themselves or, Who permit them?

Comments 1. 

"It is not what goes into the mouth that makes a person unclean. It is what comes out of the mouth that makes a person unclean".-[Matthew 15:11;  Mark 7:15]

And Jesus saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, [it] cannot defile him; Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed Evil Thoughts, Adulteries, Fornications, Murders, Thefts, Covetousness, Wickedness, deceit, Lasciviousness, Evil Eye, Blasphemy, Pride, Foolishness, Disobedience: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. -[Mark 7:18-23]

So, if Christ himself says that it is what comes out of the man that corrupts him then what a man puts into his mouth isn't of a great concern.

Paul said that we ought not eat things sacrificed to idols but that seems to have been meant to discourage eating things that were causing some brothers to stumble. My faith isn't challenged by what you eat but I've met many who are. How sad.

Comments 2. 
Wherein were all manner of four footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, "Rise, Peter; kill, and eat".
But Peter said, "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean".
The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.” -[Acts 10:12-15]

Pork is lawful Just after this vision of Peter who, being shown a vessel of unclean meat, and the following message of the same vision with respect to men, that no one is unclean, showing no favoritism, God not being a respecter of persons.
To say that this passage annuls the Law of Moses is presumptuous.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath -[Colossians 2:16]

There was an event though when Jesus was questioned by one of the scribes concerning the eating of pork. "Truly I say to you, that to eat bread with unclean hands defiles not a man, because that which enters into the man defiles not the man, but that which comes out of the man defiles the man."

Thereupon, said one of the scribes: "If I shall eat pork, or other unclean meats, will they not defile my conscience?"
Jesus answered: "Disobedience will not enter into the man, but will come out of the man, from his heart; and therefore will he be defiled when he shall eat forbidden food."


That is, according to Jesus, Pork is forbidden, as eating pork is nothing but disobey of Gods law and as disobedience come out of man, it shall defiled the man.

Comments 3. 

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. Let not then your good be evil spoken of: for the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. -[Roman, 14:14-17]

Comments 4. 

They, the Christian have a corrupted sacrament.. eating the flesh and blood of Jesus? No thanks, I'll burn a stick of incense and make a prayer quietly.

Now we will see -Why Pork is forbidden to Eat?
There are various theory regarding pork, the forbidden meat as-

1. Mu'min Theory:
i). Orthodox Mumin: Why Pork is forbidden, we don't know, but if it offends God to eat unclean meat, why should we willfully disobey God's commandments?

Wherefore Satan seeks not to bring to nothing fasting and prayer, alms and pilgrimages, no rather he incites unbelievers thereto, for he takes pleasure in seeing man work without receiving pay. But he takes pains with all diligence to bring faith to nought, wherefore faith ought especially to be guarded with diligence, and the safest course will be to abandon the "Wherefore," seeing that the "Wherefore" drove men out of Paradise and changed Satan from a most beautiful angel into a horrible devil."

"So abandon "Wherefore," as it's not the gate of knowledge, rather the gate of hell. O man! when God has said a thing, who are you to say, "Wherefore have you so said, O God: wherefore have you so done?" Shall the earthen vessel, perhaps, say to its maker: "Wherefore have you made me to hold water and not to contain balsam?"

So, it is necessary against every temptation to strengthen yourself with this word, saying "God has so said"; "So has God done"; "God so wills"; for so doing you shall live safely."

ii). Protestant Mumin: I believe in God. However, I  don't find any logic that should supports that He want us to follow a bunch of ridiculous rules. Why would he want that? Wouldn't he want his "children" to think for themselves?

If you eat anything, you are eating by waste from other animals.

Haven't thought of that one yet have you? Things don't grow without Fertile soil, How does soil become Fertile? lol The decaying of bio-waste, Which is dead animals, Waste from animals, Waste from everything else makes it way down the sapling of your favorite fruit or veggie, Not to mention if you eat meat now a days, you might not wanna go check out where your meat is being processed, you'll prolly eat cardboard for the rest of your days. An even that has filth in it.

I swear these Redundant sayings of Moses and Jesus or even dare I say, God are down right Filth.

I mean if our Waste Makes Plants grow. Then why would he say not to eat Swine? Plus from what I understand Pigs aren't as dirty as you think, their pretty clean animals. Unless you lick the skin of a pig after it just had a mud bath, but then again a cow after giving birth to a caff is pretty filthy too, so I'm pretty safe to say all your other animals are Filthy.

We Live, sleep, and Eat In Filth From what the Bible says, I'm sorry but if I wanted that kind of dribble that is been messed up an retorted throughout the days, I'll play a game with my kids... maybe telephone? We live on earth that is dirty, dirt is one of the only reasons we can stay on this planet. And guess what dirt is made of! lol

Here is where I lost contact with the Christian religion.

Where do animals go when they die? Oh what not heaven? Too good heaven is for all the other animals who helped mankind live many many many many many centuries on this planet thru the death of themselves or the fur off their back. Yeah once I found that out, I realized How Duped I was.
Pork Grinds anyone, Chops Ala King? , Hotdogs? Bacon!

There are many things like that in the bible, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, so a question to the True Christians, when your loved ones have their period, do you keep away from them for a month? do you not touch them until they become "pure" again?
Do you also avoid getting in the shadow of a boat because the devil lives there?

In that case you might as well be Jews not Christians, as they believe in the old testament as law, amongst other books.

Strangely enough, I was told by a Rabbi, that those books were meant as a guide only, that times had changed and that common sense had to be applied , that the scripture was not meant to be taken literally, go figure!

On another train of thought, you must also believe that marijuana must be legal because it bears seeds right? and God "said" that all plants that bear seeds are gifts from him to us, how thoughtful!"

One replied to this as- Nicely put. You have free will thanks be to God, to eat anything you want. But to say that God didn't forbid anything is not true, a certain tree was forbidden to our first parents, but Satan deceived them into eating from it.

2. Atheist Theory
i). There was great famines.And the royalty of the time, the leaders, who could do pretty much whatever they wanted in there little castle's and get away with it. Wanted to have all the yummy bacon and pork chops to themselves, while the commoners ate beans. So whats the best way to get all the pigs for yourself?
Tell the masses they are unclean.

ii). Well said. Pork is tasty. People like eating it. So religious fanatics, who hate people having any fun, must immediately ban it- "Hear me, ye sinners. Thou shalt not eat pork. "
Now, come to think of it, thou shalt not eat anything tasty?. No, wait, come to think of it...

iii). Stupid Question. Do you not know, Christians have embraced a religion that allows redemption for any act simply by asking forgiveness? So whats the problem, Bob?
Eat pork, then just say, "Lord, I'm sorry,  forgive me."

3. Philosophical Theory:
No the law Moses says God gave to him.
Many think of pork as a pig who lives in a stye.
Writheling around in its own excrement.
When in reality pigs come from the wild.
Man put them in pens of excrement.

So how is a wild pig, who lives in the forest like a deer, and eats plants, filthy? Cows eat there own excrement, they do it on the grass and then eat the grass. So do sheep goats etc. So how is any animal more filthy than another? Its just ignorant illogical banter made up by some freaks.

4. Poetic Theory:
Homer: "Are you saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon?"
Lisa: "No".
Homer: "Ham?"
Lisa: "No".
Homer: "Pork chops?"
Lisa: "Dad, those all come from the same animal".
Homer: "Heh heh heh. Ooh, yeah, right, Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal".

5. Medical Theory
No matter how clean the farms and environments on which Pigs are raised ..... They are by nature a unclean-living animal. It often plays in, and even eats its own excrement ......

And, its biological structure?
..... The pig produces much higher levels of antibodies and growth hormone than other animals. ...Again, Pork meat contains high levels of cholesterol and lipids ....these significant amounts of antibodies, hormones, cholesterol and lipids in pork is a serious threat to human health.

 .... And the fatal "trichina" worm!!. that frequently found in pork .... enters the human body and settles directly in the muscles of the heart and represents a fatal threat.
And the "Tapeworm" which is transmitted to man’s intestines. It is a few meters long, ... .. and has about 22-32 hooks in the head, with which it clings to the intestine wall ... ... It leaks larva into the stream of blood ..... and settles in one of the body organs ..... In the heart, liver, eye, ......where it vesiculates .....Settling in the brain, being its favourite place, the worm can cause epilepsy.

Atheist:  Shut your mouth, people of this day know how to cook meat to a certain temps killing parasites and bacteria.

6. Jewish Theory:
Animal do not have split hooves and do not chew its cud is not Kosher ie Halal. The camels chew their cud but they do not have split hooves. They are Halal but not for Jews, because Jacob Haram them for Himself as a Manat for the cure of his Diabetic. Actually he only haram his favourite Camel milk and the Jew made themselves both. On the other hand the pigs have split hooves but they do not chew their cud.

Chewing the cud is a slow (regurgitating) process that takes place internally. It is like thinking (for some) they process, they think about it, they review and then they accept it all quietly. The pig goes around and shows off its kosher split hooves; the external sign of kashrus, but inside he quickly devours all that is around him. The pig represents all that is not spiritual.

You know,  the Roman (Hellenist) provoked the Jews, they forced the Jews to sacrifice a pig in the Temple of Jerusalem. They pretended to be religious on a higher plane, and they had many gods to prove it. But their gods were around only to give their pungent pleasures. They were like pigs. They look religious but they were empty.

Jews hate hypocrites; and the Romans and the pig are the zenith of deception. That is why the pig is traif and the symbol of what is treif. They are hypocrites - pretend to be kosher but are not.

7.  Islamic Theory:
And speak not, concerning that which your own tongues qualify (as clean or unclean), the falsehood: "This is lawful, and this is forbidden," so that ye invent a lie against Allah. Lo! those who invent a lie against Allah will not succeed.-[16.116]

O mankind! Eat of that which is lawful and wholesome in the earth, and follow not the footsteps of the devil. Lo! he is an open enemy for you.-[2:168]

This day are (all) good things made lawful for you. The food of those who have received the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when ye give them their marriage portions and live with them in honour, not in fornication, nor taking them as secret concubines. Whoso denieth the faith, his work is vain and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter.-[5.5]

Or have they partners (of Allah) who have made lawful for them in religion that which Allah allowed not ? And but for a decisive word (gone forth already), it would have been judged between them. Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom.-[42.21]

8. Apocryphal Theory:
On the day of judgment many shall say to God: "Lord, we have preached and taught by your Law."

Against them even the stones shall cry out, saying: "When you preached to others, with your own tongue you condemned yourselves, O workers of iniquity."

"As God lives," said Jesus, "he who knows the truth and works the contrary shall be punished with such grievous penalty that Satan shall almost have compassion on him. Tell me, now has our God given us the Law for knowing or for working? Truly I say to you, that all knowledge has for end that wisdom which works all it knows. "Tell me, if one were sitting at table and with his eyes beheld delicate meats, but with his hands should choose unclean things and eat those, would not he be mad?"
"Yes, assuredly," said the disciples.

Then Jesus said: "O mad beyond all madmen are you, O man, that with your understanding know heaven, and with your hands choose earth; with your understanding know God, and with your affection desire the world; with your understanding know the delights of paradise, and with your works choose the miseries of hell. Brave soldier, that leaves the sword and carries the scabbard to fight! Now, know you not that he who walks by night desires light, not only to see the light, but rather to see the good road, in order that he may pass safely to the inn?

O miserable world, to be a thousand times despised and abhorred! since our God by his holy prophets has ever willed to grant it to know the way to go to his country and his rest: but you, wicked one, not only wiliest not to go, but, which is worse, have despised the light! True is the proverb of the camel, that it likes not clear water to drink, because it desires not to see its own ugly face. So does the ungodly who works ill; for he hates the light lest his evil works should be known. But he who receives wisdom, and not only works not well, but, which is worse, employs it for evil, is like to him who should use the gifts as instruments to slay the giver."

Conclusion:
Now at the end we will inquire what it actually means by the following verse asking a Christian, a Jew and a Muslim- 
"It is not what goes into the mouth that makes a person unclean. It is what comes out of the mouth that makes a person unclean".-[Matthew 15:11;  Mark 7:15]

Christian:  It says, that entering into the mouth not defile a man: but those come out of him defile."
Jew: It says, that entering into the mouth [except those forbade God] not defile a man: but those come out of him defile." 
Muslim: The Jew is right as Jesus was a Jew and he came to them. So they shall understand better his word. 

Now, We have to inquire- Why the answer Differs? The Christian Just translate the words and meanings accordingly. The Meanings is 100% correct, Yet they are Wrong, because they forget one thing- the following Verse-“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”-[Mathew, 15:21-24] 

Why this [Mathew, 15:21-24] remind so important? 
Because Jesus applied the verse -"It is not what goes into the mouth that makes a person unclean. It is what comes out of the mouth that makes a person unclean".-[Matthew 15:11;  Mark 7:15] to the Jews who knows what is forbidden by the laws so Jesus need not to cite the exceptions.

Now you may understand why Jesus called the Christians [non Jew] "DOGs" saying- It is not right to take the children's [Son of Israel] bread"[Gospel] and through it to the Dogs [non Jew]. and WARNED them [non Jew] saying: “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”-[Mathew, 15:21-24]

Because the TRUTH is- A "Neckless of PERL" [Gospel, the sayings of Jesus] never be valued by the "DOGs" [non Jew] and the "ABSOLUTE TRUTH" is that- "Every prophet when he came, borne to one nation only, which was the mark of the mercy of God. And so their words were not extended save to that people to which they were sent."
  
OH GOD!! What a  Hellish TRUTH it is!!!
Do you not know what happened to Peter, the man who made lawful that is forbidden by God?
He was "Beaten to Death" publicly.

The End.
Not Yet Verified.
Source: http://www. abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread/

# A man asked, How do you explain -Acts 10:12-15?
@ I said, "Peter simply a disciple of Jesus, not a prophet of God, do you consider him Important than Jesus? If Jesus want to allow pork which is forbidden by Moses, then he will inform us during his lifetime, not in a dream to his disciple."

# Another one asked, "Pork is Forbidden right?? Now say, A Muslim man got lost in the desert and after few days of walking, he finds a PIG. The man runs into that PIG, as he was dieing of thirst and hunger. At last he grabs the PIG and starts pulling the knife out of his pocket. The PIG started Squealing really loud. The Man puts knife to the PIG’S neck and says:
“You Can Squeal All You Want. To Me, You Are Still A LAMB!!!” -How do you explain this?

# I said, "The Muslim man is right. As Islam is the TRUE Religion, the Religion of God, then, there should be a way from the Merciful God to escape EVERY Sin. Thus-
--Pork and Swine flesh are HARAM, but HALAL for the case of savings life.
ie. for Muslim- what is "Grievous Crime" in the eyes of God, not a Crime at all for the case of saving lives.
Do you not know the case of Amber?

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