Saturday, August 20, 2016

Case Study-1: Reasons of Conversion from Islam to Christianity.

In this Mega City Dhaka, you have no recreation. The City already over crowded, no place to breath some fresh air. As far as your sight may go you will see only two legi Homo-sapiens coming and going, coming and going that never ends. So those who are lazy type like me, they showed no interest for a walk but engaged themselves in the net for some recreation. And thus when I was shuffling the net, I find some "Melodious Story" of renouncing Islam in a "Question and Answer" Site named "QUORA". I was really Curious, some people who renounced Islam wrote those "Melodrama" as the cause of their renouncing. Quora reads-

What made you Convert from Islam to Christianity?

Answering this, Michael Muluk, who introduced himself as a Sheepdog theologian, an Ex-Muslim and who was one of the "Most Viewed Writer" on "Religious Conversion" in QUORA, wrote there a Melodrama that we are going to discuss here for the wise reader. Michael Muluk, the said theologian what he wrote, but we consider the following is the jist or in other ways, the magnet part which was as follows --------

"-------- From the angry politically inclined sermons on Friday prayers, to a common belief among people my age in Indonesia that having sex with your wife is a good deed comparable to the killing of 40 infidels. I started wondering why my Islam was different then their Islam? What did they interpret from Muhammad's teachings, that I didn't know about?
I started talking to clerics: German Muslims clerics, Saudi clerics, Indonesian clerics even one a Professor from Al-Azhar university in Egypt. ----------

_____"Did you know, that when two Muslims marry, the "I do" is said between the groom and the bride's father? I didn't! And the ceremony was like me "buying" my wife for a dowry. I shook hands with the father, and - voila! - I had a wife.
I felt depressed. I felt that there is no love in Islam, no intimacy whatsoever. Shouldn't a religion teach that? After all Allah is all-loving, all-merciful, right?
I decided to pick up my Islamic studies---------

----------- Boy, was I shocked!I won't beat around the bush here! What I found was a picture of a warlord, with a lust to plunder, raid and torture. One who has created a whole religion to serve his sexual and tyrannical needs. A man that has low morals, even for his time, and had nothing but contempt for women and others. A man who was as superstitious as any pagan of that time, and one who died a humiliating death.

To this day, I am ashamed that I have been including this man and his family in my prayers, when I prayed 5 times a day. I am ashamed that I used to say "praise be upon him" after Muhammad's name.
I remember waking up my wife in the middle of the night. All my notes on a piece of paper in my hand. I told her: "We have to leave Islam. Now!" And that we did.-----------
----------Then I met Jesus."

I love fiction, so I comment to his answer, "Bro, you failed to justify the above, you leave Islam and became a Christians, is not it true? But," I wrote, "Answering your Question is not too tough at all. Let us start with your last line-

“Then I met Jesus.” ———And what he told us?  To follow Muhammad. —As he said, "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that "I go away": for "if I go not away", Ahmad [Hibru word Messiah in Greek is Periclytos, which means Ahmad in Arabic] will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Of sin, because they [Jews] believe not on me;
Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Ahmad aroused the neglectful world from its heedlessness and gave it the knowledge of the criterion between truth and falsehood [Qur'an or Furqan];
Of judgment, because [Muhammad] the Prince of this World shall judge.

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the "Spirit of Truth", shall come, "he will guide you into all truth": for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. "He shall glorify me": for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.-[John 16:7-14]

The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet "like me" from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. -[John 14:16]

Ahmed, the Spirit of Truth, whom the Father will "send in my name", "he shall teach you all things", and "bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you." [John 14:26]

Logically the above is true, because Quran also certify this-
"O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah [Almighty God] (sent) to you, confirming the Law (Torah or Old Testament) before me, and giving "Glad Tidings" of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed." -[61:6]

Now, how you justify, when you blamed Muhammad and accept Jesus, on the other hand Jesus says that above??? And you said--

"———What I found was a picture of a warlord, with a lust to plunder, raid and torture." ———you shocked, because you have no knowledge of scriptures, but Jesus and Moses knew it very well.

In Torah it is said- “The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet "likeunto me", from the "midst of thee", "of thy brethren"; unto him ye shall hearken;-[Deuteronomy 18:15]"

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brothers, like to you, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whoever will not listen to my words which he shall speak in My Name, I will bound them to hear".-[Deuteronomy 18:18-19]

ie. Who will not hear, God shall bound them to hear.——Scripture Says,--Now tell me, how you bound people to hear you? Do you not see Jesus urged Jews to hear him, moving village to village on foot, that bleeded all time because of his huge journey, yet, did they pay heed to him?
No, so, people bound to hear only when they are under the sword.
Is it clear now why Muhammad fought, why he was the war Lord??.

Again, do not forget what John the Baptist says-"I am baptizing with water, but who shall come after me, shall baptize you with fire."

Is Jesus Baptizes any, ever?
Is Jesus after John?,
Then who is after John?
It is Muhammad, and he Baptized people with Blood [symbolically fire].

And all other things that you wrote are absolutely baseless, lack of your knowledge. But you may say, Muhammad married a six years child. Thats right according to Bukhari, but marrying a six yrs old girl was not prohibited at that time. Actually, the Jews sacred scripture says-"A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse." [Mishnah, 5:4-5, Niddah. p. 83]. And In Emek Hamelech, we find the following passage———

"Our blessed sags, of blessed memory, say, that a female is not fit for marriage, ‘till she is arrived at the Age of three years and one day." —Emek Hamelech

——— So, buddy, it was the traditional law, so there was no problem with a six yrs girl. And you know, Issac the son of Abraham married Rebeca when he was 40 and Rebeca was 3 yrs [A.K.A. Rashi, Jewish Scholar, On the commentary on Genesis]. So this is the cause why Jews and Christians of that time never Questions Muhammad's 6 yrs child marriage.

And, Muhammad Marry Ayesha only to honor Abu Bakr in the hereafter. As Abu Bakr wished to be a relative of the Prophet in the hereafter. And you know, what he did for Islam and the Prophet. So Muhammad can't deny him. And if you are not agreed with this, then tell us, why not Muhammad married some other beautiful young virgin girl or child like Ayesha, when he was capable to do that? Or, why not his companion followed that Hadiths ever, when Muslims are instructed to follow him?"

# Michael: Look brother, I wrote a testimonial on why I left Islam. You may not like it. Fair enough. If you want to debunk if Muhammad was a moral man, feel free to comment on the numerous of other answers I got here on Quora.

@ Me: "Bro, you left Islam, I think its better for Islam. You know, "No Dog-- is better than a blind mad dog". But you blamed someone baselessly its the problem as we Muslim consider that is not ethical for a civilized person. I just answer where you made some mistakes. And surely Muhammad was and shall be the best of mankind till the ends, we Muslim believe this so we say "praise be upon him" after his name. And the truth is, not we Muslims, but also Angels even God Himself praises him so. Do you know why? Because--

We find Muhammad as a splendour one, who gave gladness to nearly all that God has made, for he was adorned with the spirit of understanding and of counsel, the spirit of wisdom and might, the spirit of fear and love, the spirit of prudence and temperance, the spirit of justice and Piety, the spirit of gentleness and patience, he was adorned with the spirit of charity and mercy, which he had received from God three times more than He has given to all His creatures. 

On the other-hand, 
We know that every prophet when he came, borne to one nation only, which was the mark of the mercy of God. And so their words were not extended save to that people to which they were sent. But Muhammad, the blessed one, when he came, God  gave to him as it were the seal of His hand, insomuch that he carried salvation and mercy to all the nations of the world that  received his doctrine. He, the Messiah, came with power upon the ungodly, and destroyed idolatry, insomuch that he made Satan confounded; for so promised God to Abraham, saying: "Behold, in your seed I will bless all the tribes of the earth; and as you have broken in pieces the idols, O Abraham;, even so shall your seed do."" and thus Quran says We have sent you as a blessing for the people of the whole world.-[al-Anbiya, 21:107]

Muhammad was the promised prophet as selected before the creation of all. Thus he blessed by all Muslims, even by angels and through God Himself- as Qur'an says- Indeed, Allah confers blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels. O you who have believed, ask blessing upon him and ask [Allah to grant him] peace. -(33: 56)

You may asked- Why Muhammad was selected before the creation of all?.
It is also not hard to answer. Actually, God does not works as everyone does. Everyone that works, works for an end in which he finds satisfaction. Wherefore, God, as He is perfect, hasn't need of satisfaction, because He has satisfaction Himself. And so, willing to work, He created before all things, the soul of Muhammad, His Habib, for whom He determined to create the whole, in order that the creatures should find joy and blessedness in God, whence His Habib should take delight in all His creatures, which He has appointed to be His Messenger, His slave. And wherefore this is, so save as thus He willed.

Now, you may understand why Qur'an says-Those who disbelieve and avert from the way of God -He (God) will waste their deeds. And those who believe and do righteous deeds and believe in what has been sent down upon Muhammad- He (God) will remove from them their misdeeds and amend their condition and it is the truth from their Lord.-[47:1-2]

Still you have doubt?? Then, just asked, I am confident to answer your all question with proper justification. And you know, we all are strive for our livelihood, so, where is the time to answer even one? I am not an Scholar, so its not my duty also, and you know, if a dog bites, you can’t bite all the dogs".

# Michael: Baselessly? As I said if you’re not happy with the thought that I am of the opinion that Muhammad was not a moral man (my Muslim dad has better morals than Muhammad), that he was a warlord who enjoyed sex-slaves and plunder, feel free to rebuke my posts where I made these statements. There you can proof to the everybody on here how your prophet is the best of mankind. Not here. This is my testimonial, and my personal life story.

@ Me: “As I said if you’re not happy with the thought”——— Do not make such statements like a STUPID, I am talking about your "Lack of Knowledge" not what I am thinking. Do you not understand?

If not, then how you explain the Roman Catholic Church's viewpoint, as stated in the 1910 Catholic Encyclopedia, that holds "contradictory opinions have been expressed by scholars in the last three centuries" about Muhammad’s "moral character and sincerity" since "Many of these opinions are biased either by an extreme hatred of Islam and its founder or by an extreme admiration, coupled with a hatred of Christianity."??-["CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Mohammed and Mohammedanism (Islam)". Retrieved 2015-11-25].

And for "Sex Slaves?" Ha Ha Ha, Much more Stupid than Saint John Damescene!!!.

Do you not see what is written in the bible?- "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones (taph), and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children (taph), that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. -[Num. 31:17-18]

Here, "keep alive for yourselves". is this means- “keep them to a showcase like dolls?” If not, then what to do with those women that were captured?
Is Jesus rejects this laws of Torah?
Then? Do you not capable of understanding, what it meant by "keep alive for yourselves.”?

Now, it was one of the ancient law that he who captured those in the war, to be his slaves, then if the captured one was a women, will she die as virgin? I say so, because, it was forbidden to capture any men who fought against God and His Apostle, thus those men will captured, shall be put to death, [see the laws of Torah and Gods laws surely valid until a new one replaced the old]. So buddy, we don’t find anything wrong, but support them on humanitarian ground and respecting rules of Gods law which was legal at that time.

# Michael: Look in my other answers, there you can find everything from your prophet’s sex slaves to why Islam breeds terrorism. Have a good day.

Then when I went for answering him, I found Michael Muluk already deleted my comments and block further comments as it reads "Cannot add comment at this time." He leaves as a Coward. So the battle of knowledge between us came to an end.

When we were child, we called someone who seemed to be a stupid to us as "Michael". I laughed thought of that. Then we were not wrong!!! HA HA HA.The man even not asked me what makes me thought of his stupidity.

So, for some extra recreation, we may look what the other people commented on his life history and what this "Michel" answered.

# Iqbaal Hassani: Praise God. You are on the right path. I understand your experience, and our story is inspirational. God bless you.
@ Michael: Thank you, brother.

# YeeKiat Tan: Praise God. What a moving testimony. I pray that God will powerfully work in you just as He promised: "And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ." (Phil 1:6). I also pray that He will use us mightily to spread the gospel to liberate the people captive to Muslim theology.
@ Michael: Amen! I thank you for your kind words...

# Darma Kusuma: Sorry, but I got to say you’re leaving a bullshit for another bullshit made by people who claim they got the words directly from God. Islamic bullshit : if God is almighty loving, why would he tell people to kill other people? Christian bullshit : if the Bible was God’s words, how could human-beings alter it and make a new version of it?

@ Michael: No, what you are saying is bullshit. Where does it say that the Bible is God’s word? It is written by divinely inspired people, but not God’s direct word, unlike what the Quran claims. And where does it say that humans made a new bible out of it.

Wow, for one claiming to be raised by a Catholic mom you know very little of Christianity. Must be hard piving in Indonesia with two parents of different religions (i know it is certainly not legal to marry that way in Indonesia. Your parents must have dialled religious education way back down in your family for that reason.

# Keith Wright: Amazing testimony. Thanks for sharing.
@ Michael: Thank you for your kind words!

# Huzeipha Khan: Jeus told us  to be Muslims:
Luke 6:40 (KJV) 40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

The perfection here means a spiritual one. What the verse is saying is that knowledge is not what matters! The teacher or master is higher in knowledge than his student.  But the student can be as high as his teacher, or even higher,  by being a true 'MUSHLAM' or Muslim, a spiritually perfect and well-disciplined person!

"Ein talmeed na'leh 'al rabbo; shekken kal adam she'MUSHLAM yihyeh k'rabbo." from Aramaic bible
See also the link. Jesus want's you to be muslim.

@ Michael: No. Jesus told me to beware of false prophets. And they can be recognized by their fruits.
Turn on the news. Have a look around.

# Huzeipha Khan: Have you heard of the KKK,LRA, the National Liberation Front of Tripural.
By your logic Jesus is a false prophet.
@ Michel: If you follow Jesus’ teachings, you know, that he said to turn the other cheek. Nowhere did Jesus say to lynch black guys (as the KKK does).

But if you follow the Hadiths, you’ll become a warlord just as Muhammad. The fruits of Muhammad can be seen in 1400 years of Islamic History. That’s my logic.

# Huzeipha Khan: "Jesus answered them, ‘Watch out that no one misleads you. For many will come in my name, saying, "I am the Christ," and they will mislead many ... Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ!" or "There he is!" do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Remember, I have told you ahead of time.’" Matthew 24:4-5, 23-25.
@ Michel: The prophet Muhammad certainly does not fit the description given by Jesus.

# Abdulrahman Khan: I really doubt your conversion. Not because it is possible but the story is clearly made up.

Psalms 59:5 "Thou therefore, O LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel, awake to visit all the heathen: be not merciful to any wicked transgressors. Selah."

@ Michael: You really doubt my conversion and think I made up my story? How is that? I don't recall knowing you in my personal life, so....
And what's with quoting the Psalm? Do you know, that as a Christian, I believe that all the laws of of the Old Testament have been fulfilled by Jesus' sacrifice on the cross

# Iqbaal Hassani:Ignore them Alcy. you are the right path. I realized that muslims do not tolerate anyone who questions their religion.... but yet they dont return the same tolerance to others/ Why it is so hard to accept that a muslim can turn to christianity and reject islam??

# Abdulrahman Khan: The above qoute is not a law but it is a statement. You think this statement was true at some time and then became not valid anymore?
Muslims don't name your name BTW, me Ex-muslim!
@ Michael: As I said, the Psalms, being part of the Torah = the Law is not prescriptive anymore for Christians. It might have a validity for the nation of Israel at some point, but we don't have to follow it anymore.

Besides the Psalms are not statements, they are personal prayers King David made. He can pray for whatever he wants (e.g. God forgiving him of his sins of adultery) and it is in no way prescriptive towards me.

Dear Abdul, you are one doubting son of a gun, aren't ya? First you doubt my conversion, and now you doubt the Muslim roots of my name? Tz, tz, tz.

Not that it can add any useful input towards the discussion at hand, but check this out: Baby Names for Muslims Maybe it can help you overcome your trust-issues. Have a great life ahead!

# Abdulrahman Khan:So Christians are not allowed to say this prayer anymore, "God of hosts"?
Mechael is not a muslim name.

@ Michael: Do you know how to click on a link? Try it! I know you can. Michael is my baptissimal name that I took upon my conversion. Obviously I was talking about my family name.

And as for "God of Hosts", of course you can call God that, if you want. I think God understands whatever you call him.  But calling the Christian "God the Father" "God of Hosts" or the Hebrew "Yahweh Tzevaot" is not in the Christian tradition.

Keith Wright2 Really? I don't doubt it at all. It's amazing what can be accomplished by the spirit of the true Lord, Jesus Christ. Also, honestly reading the Islamic texts for what they are and not trying to sugar coat them helps too.

# Mohammed Samir Ahmed: Where did you read about prophet Mohamed ?? I am sure you didn't choose the right sources !!
@ Michael: Are Bukhari and Muslim good enough sources for you, my friend? Here's a little teaser of what they wrote about Muhammad, the warlord:

Sahih al-Bukhari 371—When Allah's Messenger invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there (early in the morning) when it was still dark. Allah's Prophet rode and Abu Talha rode, too, and I was riding behind Abu Talha. Allah's Prophet passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of Allah's Prophet. Then his thigh was uncovered by the shift of his Izar (waist-sheet), and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of Allah's Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, "Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned." He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, "Muhammad (has come) along with his army." We conquered Khaibar, (took the captives), and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, "O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave-girl from the captives." The Prophet said, "Go and take any slave-girl." He took Safiyya bint Huyai

Sahih Muslim 3328—Anas reported: I was sitting behind Abu Talha on the Day of Khaibar and my feet touched the foot of Allah's Messenger, and we came (to the people of Khaibar) when the sun had risen and they had driven out their cattle, and had themselves come out with their axes, large baskets and hatchets, and they said: (Here come) Muhammad and the army. Allah's Messenger said: Khaibar is ruined. Verily when we get down in the valley of a people, evil is the morning of the warned ones (al-Qur'an, xxxvii. 177). Allah, the Majestic and the Glorious, defeated them (the inhabitants of Khaibar), and there fell to the lot of Dihya a beautiful girl, and Allah's Messenger got her in exchange of seven heads, and then entrusted her to Umm Sulaim so that she might embellish her and prepare her (for marriage) with him.

Attacking civilians, who are going about their daily routines and taking war booty and young women as slaves/wives sounds to me pretty much like the actions of a warlord.

# Mohammed Samir Ahmed: Of course, Bukhari and Muslim are very good sources for me, but it doesn't mean that they can't be wrong at all. For us only Quran can't be wrong.

This hadith and generally the story of prophet marriage to Sayefa one of the few that there are many disputes about. There are some hadiths that we call singles which have only one source of telling (elm al hadith or "hadith science"). We don't use them as sources for rituals like how prayers or fasting are done for example. Another thing is that every hadith should be put in the context of the full story to be well interpreted.

Let's come to the part of the warlord, actually prophet Mohamed was at the same time the leader of his society (Madinah) so you will find in his story (Sirah) the man of religion, the politician, the judge, the economist, and of course the warlord.

The real question is why he is leading such a war. Did he have the right to do so? Did he implement the rules of Islam in these wars in treating the enemy?

You should read the full story of his life, and build your judgement based on the full parts of his life.
You should not judge a person because of single or two situations that you don't like.

@ Michael :I think I have a pretty coherent grasp of who Mohammad is or not. Maybe you should check out all my other numerous posts on this topic. Thanks.

The End.
Not yet corrected.

# Reader, Have you got Something to Oppose Us? We will be "Highly Glad" If you find any fault in our Analysis.

1 comment:

  1. It has always been my belief that very good writing such as this takes researching and also talent. It’s very apparent you have performed your homework.Good job!Also visit my web blog …
    Packers And Movers Bangalore
    Packers And Movers Bangalore
    Packers and movers bangalore utilize the #best possible pressing systems and the materials to hold the merchandise securely till they achieve the coveted destination.